Kingdom Althing Minutes 3/8/2014

[UtherIronfist]

Althing opened at 4:02 in Evermore Hollow

Uther invokes the Amtgard Code of Conduct with the joint agreement of Sir Doughboy, then Kingdom GMR, to suspend Sir monkey for violations of the Amtgard Code of Conduct sections Number 1 and 6. This is a full suspension of Sir Monkey for 6 months. The Amtgard Code of Conduct can be found here:

http://www.electricsamurai.com/forums/v ... 58&t=28063

Uther cites skywatch online statements as evidence. "Creating a hostile environment."

Old business:

Sir Arminius: month of the crown schedule is under review and discussion. Argument is essentially on the wording. Suggestion is to unify the language and make a decision on a specific date and time as per the first paragraph under the month of the crown.
Arminius motions to make a decision on which we should choose. Discussion progress in terms of maintaining flexibility yet acquiring specificity.
The motion on the floor is to remove specific dates and make February and August the months which coronation can occur.
In favor: 8 against: 0 abstain: 5
Motion carries.

Next: taking crown quals from a 2 day to a 1 day event:
Motion from Kamal seconded by Arminius to make quals a one day event
In favor : 7
Opposed:1
Obstain:4
Motion carries.

Removal of ladder Awards from corpora as they are covered in the Amtgard Rules of Play. Discuss awards section and award standardization as it applies to local and kingdom level. Qualifications for master hoods and and knighthoods are unaffected.
Motion to remove lateral words from the corpora and insert reference to awards standardization in the corpora. Motion is proposed by sir Arminius and seconded by males.
In favor: 5 against: 1 abstaining: 7.
Motion passes.

Arminius mentions that references to the kingdom are unnecessary in our governing document as there are already guidelines for subgroups and their relationship to the kingdom. Example: when discussing the powers and privileges of the subgroup it can be uncertain as to whether or not their powers are in keeping with the kingdom monarch position.
Uther makes a motion to table this issue at this time seconded by sir Arminius. Discussion and motion is tabled until the May Althing.
In favor of tabling: 6 against: 1 abstaining: 1
Motion tabled.

Next from September 2010: for quals: location, categories, and other timing considerations must be announced 2 weeks in advance.
Uther motions that kingdom quals occur in Irongate, take place at noon and use current documentations for catagorization.

Second from here.
For: 3 against: 0 abstain: 5
Motion carries.

Several other issues regarding record keeping that was not included in minutes including jovious award being given at a local level, the number of times an item may be submitted in dragon master

Old business:
Ottos proposal to lock down changes to the corpora that must be passed with 75% vote of the dues paid on this date. Also, to establish that a 75% vote of dues paid members present at an Althing be required to further suspend the corpora.
Utter proses, Bart seconds
For: 6 against: 2 abstain: 3
This passes until the Althing of may 2015.

Clarification: Kingdom GMR Elections and any other Guilds Elections are occurring today as per last Althing due to lack of attendance at the last Althing. Question posed by Sir Renity.

New business: as per declaration during crown quals: brochures for each chapter will be created by Uther. Each Chapter can accept or decline the offer. Fifty free prints will be given to each chapter which accepts.

On the docket for the Next Althing in Nine Willows: Skywatchers wishes to be considered for the position of Barony.

Noted. Keshia is a bastard. Bartius fervently seconds.
Motion to close made and seconded.
Althing closed 4:49.

[Kluno]

Can I get a copy of what Monkey allegedly said? Can I get names of the people who Monkey allegedly assaulted?

[Gequinn]

Links to the actual statements that were made by Monkey would probably be beneficial.


Banged out from my mobile device.

[Kluno]

HEY that would work also. Can I get LINKS to the conversation?
THANKS

[UtherIronfist]

Here is a link to the thread that occurred in Skywatch.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2909607 ... ream_ref=3

[Gequinn]

So... I read through the entirety of those posts and not once read anything where Monkey threatened anybody, so I'd say Section 1 is a no go.

Section 6 on the other hand, I can understand but he actually brought up a valid point. Which, I admit could have been worded a bit more civilly.

I stand by the decision and have no qualms with it aside from one - that all of this went down in October of last year and that it was just now put forward that action had to be taken.

Why the delay?


Banged out from my mobile device.

[UtherIronfist]

Gequinn, I agree no threat was made. Section 1 of the Code of Conduct states and I quote "Speech that would cause a reasonable person to fear for their property or safety." This has happened. If a threat had been made, I would have used the "Monkey Rule" instead.

As to why this has taken awhile. Because this was the beginning. Since this incident, Sir Monkey has continued on in a manner that is hostile to other opinions which are not his own. This decision was reached based on his behavior over the last 6 months total. Here is another example.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1216194 ... ream_ref=2

That one was in January. Since then Sir Monkey has continued to be highly passive/aggressive.

On February 20th of this year I was made a aware of a post that I should see as it gives light to Sir Monkey and his current erratic behavior.

http://www.electricsamurai.com/forums/v ... 4&start=15

This statement was not used for the final determination of suspension but goes to show simply where Sir Monkey is at as a member of the Golden plains.

The final straw was broken on the 4th of this month as Sir Monkey openly insulted the entire kingdom with profanity on what he well knows is a both a moderated, and improper place to speak like this.

http://www.golden-plains.com/forums/vie ... f=1&t=4863

At this time, I stand behind the decision that has been made. What I do take note at is this. Many people begged me to put a stop to Sir Monkey's current list of tirades, and have said to me as King, please do something. Now that I have it seems that everyone has gone silent, minus a few who are either strongly supportive or highly against this.

Being King means that I am responsible to each person in GP, each chapter in GP, and the Kingdom of GP as a whole. Sometimes the need of one person to bully has to be stopped for awhile to that others can feel safe enough to speak. It has been stated that the people of GP are like sheep, I disagree. I believe that the people of GP simply no longer seek open conflict and as such avoid conflicts that happen in the game. If given support and encouragement, everyone can bloom and reach their potential whatever it may be. A simple rule of thumb for Amtgard is that if you are not enjoying the game, stop playing for awhile, recharge, and come back refreshed, stronger, and ready to play.

[Opaldragon1]

This is just my take on things. Monkey is not everyone's cup of tea, true, but I don't think it should have been taken to this extreme. I think matters could have been handled much better. Why couldn't the Circle of Monarchs take him aside and have a conversation with him first? Why was no warning of "Hey, Monkey, calm yourself or we will have to take extreme measures." By this precedence that was set forth with this, I could be banned for my actions at our midreign. I was tired, stressed and when one of our players got attitude with me I flipped him off and told him not to F with me today or I would shove his sword where the sun don't shine. This goes for just about everyone I know. While I think these rules do need to be in play I think that 1) there should definitely be some warnings first and 2) this could set a very bad example. I know people, this could very well be turned into a tool for someone to get rid of a person they don't like. Everyone at some point has violated one of these rules. We are not all saints. I very much think that there should be an appeal process to this and maybe next time do a more in depth investigation as to what lead to the events. I think a six month ban for bad language is a bit excessive. If he had actually physically harmed someone on purpose I could see it but not for bad language and disagreeing with someone.

[Kluno]

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Ok, so WHERE is the part where Monkey was disobeying rules #1 and #6? Sorry as a Christian and a Mom that is extremely withdrawn from society WHERE does it get out of hand?

[Gequinn]

Thanks for clearing this up for us Uther. I just wanted some in depth clarification.


Banged out from my mobile device.

[Kluno]

Ya know, I have had it, this is nothing but a flippin WITCH hunt by those who have no GUTS to speak up unless taking aim at someone else. This kingdom USED to be a great, strong kingdom one that anyone would be honored to be from..........now, well..........not so much. I had a list of things that I had already written down and I erased it all because YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU WILL BE REAPING.

[Malek]

Monkey doesn't have to be liked. Truth is not everyone is going to like everyone. It is an eventuality, there are going to be people who's very presence irritates someone else. I've not been in this game nearly as long as most and thus only know Monkey through stories and the few times I've seen/ fought against him in Skywatch and wherever else. While i'm not personally fond of him he should at least be given the opportunity to state his side.

For those of said incidence in Skywatch who have left the game this decision is basically moot and too little too late. This does indeed set a dangerous precedence. On one hand I can understand Uther's reasoning and in the interest of keeping continuity within the Kingdom I support him. However, the manner in which it was handled seemed a bit lacking.

In the end it is just a game. A game in which everyone needs to have fun. Many of us dedicate time, money, and effort to attempt to ensure that those who chose to join us have a good time. It's a shame to have it all begin to fall apart over simple misunderstandings and internet trolling.