Kingdom Quals 02/23/2014

[SirHern]

Golden Plains Quals overall scores
Uther 43.54 points
Tanis 25
Rodnik 11.6
Garon 6
Alucard 5
Joe 4
Flint 2
Stopwatch 1

The vote was taken for Monarchy of the Golden Plains
The Winner of the vote was Uther

We then began the election althing.
Kingdom of The Golden Plains 02/23/2014
Emergency Althing

Due to no one putting their intent to run for regent
Flint Nominated Sir Hern for the Position of GP Regent Mariah seconded it
For 7
Against 0
Abstain 3

It was motioned that Nevon be allowed to run for the position of champion even though he was not present by Shotgun
It was seconded by Flint.
For 7
Against
Abstain2

Nominated Nevon for the Position of Champion by Uther seconded by Akkir
For 6
Against 1
Abstain 3

A motion to replace the GP rules rep was made.
The althing was then closed.

[Monkey]

Why is it brought up that the GP rules rep be replaced?

[nevon]

Yay, I get to be champion! Thanks guys for voting me in even though I wasn't there to actually qualify. Let me just go on record and say two things. I absolutely hate making things and I decided I really don't like the idea of qualls. hehe Anyway, I will be present at future events where I will be needed to either run a tournament or battlegame. There is no need to worry about that.

I would like to also ask the question Monkey posted. Why are we changing our rules rep? What is the reasoning behind this?

[Monkey]

Tell us why the GP rules rep needs to be replaced!!!!!

[Gequinn]

InB4ButtHert - My opinions here are assumptions. Not accusations. Mostly.

The reason it was put forward to vote for a new Rules Representative is probably because nobody knows who I am and that others feel I'm not doing my job. Which, I am. It was well known that I was the rules rep on Facebook, when Uther made several posts about it - when I had a Facebook at least. Only two people ever sent me messages regarding their feedback.

Then we have where Uther linked via a post on the GP Facebook group the thread where he let it be known that there was an email people could send their feedback to which was, and still is v8{at}golden-plains{dot}com. As of right now, the only person to have sent anything to that address would be myself when I tested it for functionality.

With personal experience, on my home field of Nine Willows, I was told that people were upset with me because I did my job and submitted the "dealbreaker" feedback that was requested by the v8 Committee on time, before they could come up with a list. Even though the deadline had been posted by Uther on here and the GP Facebook Page.

Long story short - people don't like me because they neglected to check the resources available to them and somehow that's my fault. (That's the way I see it anyway.)

I'll still be submitting feedback to the committee, if I ever receive it. But it would probably be best at this point for anybody wishing to submit feed back to go browse the eSam v8 Open Discussion forum to search the feedback that has already been submitted. Chances are, somebody else that has actually been playtesting has already come up with the exact same issue/complaint/idea and it has already been fixed/acknowledged/shot down a million times.

[Monkey]

Thats exactly how i felt it went down too. The populace wants everything to be done right and on time but NO ONE wants to do anything for themselves to achieve such a goal. this kingdom really frustrates me. 1 person gets upset because something happened and all the Sheep have to follow the guy talking the loudest and sounding like he knows what hes doing.

[Monkey]

of course Plenty of people view this thread but no one has the balls to speak up. pussy fags.

[BlackBart]

Late to the party, but here is how I saw it anyway.

Speaking for NW people:

Most people were upset that you posted our feedback without consulting any of us. We had been play-testing it for some time, and I guarantee there would have been more feedback than what you said.

Also a few people got upset when you would not settle a rules argument, or answer a rules question during a game. They seemed to feel that as the rules rep, you should do so.

I had assumed most of our people got over that pretty quick, but guess I was wrong, of course that althing was very soon after we saw the post that triggered it.


Personally I was more upset that the deadline had gone by without anyone realizing it. While I don't expect you to hold my hand, some kind of announcement other than a months old post somewhere on facebook would have been nice. I knew that there was a deadline, but I didn't remember exactly when it was other than "sometime shortly prior to clan". We had actually discussed putting together all of our feedback to send to the V8 committee just a few days before we found out that it was too late.

Either way, I got over it, so it doesn't really matter.

As to them wanting to vote you out, it was to little to late by then no matter what the opinion was. The job of ALL rules reps was done when the feedback was sent in.

Just my usual long winded opinion.

[Gequinn]

As I said, I can still submit feedback, and anybody can submit feedback on the forums and take part in the discussions like you have been doing yourself Bart.

As far as the feedback that was submitted by me - that was for "deal breaker" feedback. Things that would prevent a kingdom from voting in v8 when it comes time in July. And if any feedback had been submitted, I guarantee the vast majority of it would not fit into that category.

Might I also add, the entire time I've been rules rep, I have asked for feedback several time. I was either ignored or blanketed with, "v8 sucks!" comments. The only genuine feedback that I have received that had not already been answered by the committee themselves were from Wretch and Drake about Paladin and Anti-Paladin and from Ryuujin about monk balance and the monk's role on the battlefield. I submitted those to the committee via email.

Aside from those three, I have not had any relevant feedback (relevant here meaning an idea/complaint that was also accompanied by reasoning and explanation, not just "because.") in the past six months.

I have nothing to prove. I've done my job. The populace hasn't done theirs. Period.


Banged out from my mobile device.

[Shotgun]

Well I for one did talk to you about issues I had with v8... and posted them on esam as well... those were not addressed in the feedback.

The reasons Bart gave are the ones that caused the request for a new rules rep... However it hasn't been voted on or anything so it's a bit of a moot point.

[Gequinn]

What was it about? And if you posted it on eSam, then there's no reason for me to report it.


Banged out from my mobile device.

[Shotgun]

Armor was one of the big ones.... and a few small magic issues.

The reason why I would have liked it reported by the rules rep is to give it weight.... I know a lot of people on our field have issue with the v8 armor section.... to the point of it being a deal breaker. My post on esam were my personal feelings and a proposal.... thats why I consider it as separate than what would have been posted from an elected representative.

[Gequinn]

And if I remember correctly when I asked you to give me a detailed list of your issues, you told me to just remember it. Either you or somebody else.

And if you posted those issues to eSam after you had spoken with me about it (11-1-2013 In regards to Insub and Ranged Weapons, 09-01-2013 and 09-03-2013 in regards to armor.) then you haven't brought it up recently - which means changes to the very systems you had complaints about have occurred in the latest revision. That came out after you posted all of that.

Have you come to me about anything regarding the latest revision (the only version that they were accepting feedback for)?


Banged out from my mobile device.

[Shotgun]

Armor didn't change in the latest revision (not counting yesterdays). And I talked to you face to face about it... I wasnt aware I was needed to write up a list of complaints... that seems like the job of the rules representative.... you know to take notes on people's issues..

But seriously I don't want to get into an argument about this... whats done is done.

[Gequinn]

That's absolutely correct.


Banged out from my mobile device.

[BlackBart]

As I said, I can still submit feedback, and anybody can submit feedback on the forums and take part in the discussions like you have been doing yourself Bart.

As far as the feedback that was submitted by me - that was for "deal breaker" feedback. Things that would prevent a kingdom from voting in v8 when it comes time in July. And if any feedback had been submitted, I guarantee the vast majority of it would not fit into that category.

Might I also add, the entire time I've been rules rep, I have asked for feedback several time. I was either ignored or blanketed with, "v8 sucks!" comments. The only genuine feedback that I have received that had not already been answered by the committee themselves were from Wretch and Drake about Paladin and Anti-Paladin and from Ryuujin about monk balance and the monk's role on the battlefield. I submitted those to the committee via email.

Aside from those three, I have not had any relevant feedback (relevant here meaning an idea/complaint that was also accompanied by reasoning and explanation, not just "because.") in the past six months.

I have nothing to prove. I've done my job. The populace hasn't done theirs. Period.


Banged out from my mobile device.

I do agree with a lot of what you say here, a big part of the problem was we didn't start seriously play-testing until several months ago (late October last year). And the attitude was V8 sucks, just because!

But we had been play-testing regularly prior to the deadline. Which is why I said I think we would have had some valid input to the deal-breaker feedback provided, the main one being armor rating as Shotgun said.

Of course as you noted, armor has been bitched about by a lot of people from a lot of kingdoms. Something I think the V8 people should note.

Either way, the purpose of my earlier post was just a reply to the earlier question of why people talked about voting you out of rules rep, which was mainly the effect on everyone when they found out about the deal-breaker feedback, which was right before that althing. I doubt very many people are still upset about it.

No worries dude, cya on the field!

[Ren]

Some things to contribute on this issue from a former rules rep's perspective.

Also a few people got upset when you would not settle a rules argument, or answer a rules question during a game. They seemed to feel that as the rules rep, you should do so.

I had assumed most of our people got over that pretty quick, but guess I was wrong, of course that althing was very soon after we saw the post that triggered it.

This is not the rules rep's job. The rulebook states: "The main duty of the rep is to poll their Kingdom for rule changes and clarifications then bring them to the boards."

Regarding posting in official forums, deadlines and hand-holding, I have this to say: I was rules rep for 3 years (6 terms). In that entire time, I received exactly 2 revisions/suggestions and 2 complaints. This was after announcements and posting on the forum. One of the complaints I received was rambling, made no sense, and was thrown out. Again, from the rulebook: "The reps have the discretionary right to discard changes that are obviously inappropriate."

The official rep forums require changes and suggestions that are concise and well-written in order for them to receive appropriate attention. If you want the rules rep to speak for you, it genuinely helps if you give them something written that they can submit. Remembering what someone quickly told you 5 weeks ago between ditch rounds about a rules change they wanted can get troublesome quickly. There is also the issue of redundancy. Many times a complaint, change, or idea has already been submitted and addressed.

[Thurg Ironfist]

I <3 gequinn