Proposed Corpora Changes- Now with New Car Scent!

[OTTO VON MUELLER]

SECTION 3

Arminius wrote:

3.4 Circle of Knights
3.41 Shall be composed of all Knight(s) who are Active, Dues-Paid residents of the Kingdom of the Golden Plains.
3.42 Any Amtgard member may approach the Circle of Knights for presenting candidates for Knighthood; however, it is good policy to approach the Guildleader of the Circle of Knights.
3.43 The Monarch must have the Circle of Knights approval by a simple, open ballot plurality vote for approval to award Knighthood to a potential candidate.
3.44 Shall observe group members of the Kingdom for those qualified to receive Knighthood.
3.45 The Guildleader of the Circle of Knights of the Kingdom of the Golden Plains shall approach the Knight of another Kingdom if that Knight's squire resides in the Golden Plains and shall be receiving Knighthood.
3.46 Only a Knight may award a candidate Knighthood.
3.461 If the Monarch is not a Knight, then the Guildleader of the Circle of Knights shall award the subject of Knighthood.
3.4611 If the Guildleader of the Circle of Knights shall be receiving
another Order of Knighthood, the Circle of Knights shall decide upon which Knight shall grant the Guildleader of the Circle of Knights his/her next Order of Knighthood.
3.4612 Special circumstances concerning who should award a candidate
Knighthood shall be taken into consideration by the Circle of Knights.
3.4613 51% simple majority of all Active/eligible GP Knights is
required to set a date for Knight Candidates to ascend to Knighthood.
3.47 At every Crown Qualifications in February and August the Guildleader of the Circle of Knights shall be elected from and by the Circle of Knights, and that position is held for six (6) months.
3.48 The Guildleader of the Circle of Knights has the following responsibilities:
3.481 Is the only one who may call Circle of Knights meetings.
3.482 Shall break all ties in Circle of Knights meetings, and shall only vote in the event of a tie.
3.49 If a Knight residing in the Golden Plains qualifies for another Order of Knighthood, the meeting concerning granting the Knight his/her next Order of Knighthood shall be held with the absence of the qualified Knight.
3.A If the Guildleader of the Circle of Knights is qualified for another Order of Knighthood, the Circle of Knights may call an impromptu meeting without the Guildleader of the Circle of Knights.
3.A1 The Knight with the most Orders of Knighthood shall preside over the meeting and break all ties.
3.A2 If more than one Knight has an equal number of Orders of Knighthood, the Knight with the most seniority shall preside over the meeting and break all ties.
3.B The Circle of Knights shall meet no less than every three (3) months (Kingdom Midreign, Coronation).
Note: If a Knight should happen to miss the regularly scheduled Circle of Knights Meeting, it is their responsibility alone to contact the Guildleader of Knights to receive a transcript of the events that they may have missed.

The two major revisions above are clarifiying 3.482

“Shall break all ties in Circle of Knights meetings, and shall only vote in the event of a tie.“

And the removal of the line regarding qualification changes hence the need to reorder.

The only additional issue here worth noting for the sake of clarity is what was brought before the last althing (Darken has a thread for this) that speaks to this section:

Kingdom PM must submit a record of all Active Kinghts to the guidmaster of Kinghts after the Audits.

So 3.41 Shall be composed of all Knight(s) who are Active, Dues-Paid residents of the Kingdom of the Golden Plains.

Would need the addition:

3.411 “Active” as determined by PM report of Active Knights to the Guildmaster of Knights after any audit.

This is an unnecessary change, as in section 8.0, Glossary, Active is clearly defined by

8.4 Active - Defined as having signed-in on the Prime Minister’s sign-in sheet eight (8)
times in the past six (6) months.

I had understood the PM being required to give the GMoK a list of Active Knights was along the same lines as the PM determining those eligible to vote in elections. If I am not understanding this correctly, please explain.

Because the report defines that "Active list" and so directly affects the process described in 3.4. So: Yes the glossary does define active but Not the PM's report to GoK and not the importance of that report process in 3.4 If it's going in, it needs to be fully documented.

[Arminius]

Note, I do submit that althing is spelled "althing" and not allthing.

Sorry Otto, per our corpora, your spelling sucks. All references to allthings have two l's.

Be cool Arminius. I'm making a pie. To be clear, in case your remark was meant to be a bit abrasive for some reason, I was not picking on you, but picking on inaccuracies. Luckily for all concerned the Corpora is not a dictionary (unabridged would be required for this word in most English ones if there at all) or an encyclopedia (more likely to be found). But we don't even need those fancy sources, check RoP page 1 or the index thereof. Althing was used by our Amtgardian forebears to hearken back to one of the oldest of parliamentary institutions from those Norse brothers and sisters around the 10th c. "ALL-thing" isn't even an anglicized version. You can Wiki the history of it or use some less dubious source if you'd like.

Moreover, a minor issue that I'm more than happy to continue to deride and otherwise ignore if it is so ingrained that the proper use cannot be regained.

Ok, so its the corpora that can't spell, not you. I will admit defeat on that point (but only because you are making pie ).

It was meant in jest to begin with, and yes it is a very minor point.

[Arminius]

SECTION 3

Arminius wrote:
The two major revisions above are clarifiying 3.482
And the removal of the line regarding qualification changes hence the need to reorder.

The only additional issue here worth noting for the sake of clarity is what was brought before the last althing (Darken has a thread for this) that speaks to this section:
So 3.41 Shall be composed of all Knight(s) who are Active, Dues-Paid residents of the Kingdom of the Golden Plains.

Would need the addition:

3.411 “Active” as determined by PM report of Active Knights to the Guildmaster of Knights after any audit.

This is an unnecessary change, as in section 8.0, Glossary, Active is clearly defined by

8.4 Active - Defined as having signed-in on the Prime Minister’s sign-in sheet eight (8)
times in the past six (6) months.

I had understood the PM being required to give the GMoK a list of Active Knights was along the same lines as the PM determining those eligible to vote in elections. If I am not understanding this correctly, please explain.

Because the report defines that "Active list" and so directly affects the process described in 3.4. So: Yes the glossary does define active but Not the PM's report to GoK and not the importance of that report process in 3.4 If it's going in, it needs to be fully documented.

Ok, I see your point behind this then. It is not changing the definition of active, but to impose importance to the list.

Now I am on the same page.

[OTTO VON MUELLER]

RE: SECTION 4

In between taking over IG from, audits, MSMayhem in La Mesa and Exams in mundania, I was diligently organizing your thoughts with mine and you went ahead and organized yourself with revisions based on our and Althing conversations, so for the sake of clarity and speed, I will respond section by section as you have posted.

The first you posted was 4.x so here's goes:

Arminius Version:

4.134 The Monkey Rule
4.1341 The Allthing has the power to discuss and vote on possible disciplinary measures to be imposed on members of the kingdom who violate the rules on a regular or severe basis.
4.1342 Members may only be disciplined once per incident.
4.1343 The Allthing may extend, shorten, or revise the punishment of a member based upon new information concerning the member's violation and/or the member's actions during their punishment.

Otto version follows. Principles- consistent with ROP and clear in punishment guidelines. Does not introduce more that what is considered precedent in past disciplinary actions as much as codifies and clarifies to make it usable. Also note, this was based on ideas proffered by other members in the monkey rule thread and then worded by me:

4.134 Ordinatio Atelidae (Rule of the Monkey Type, specifically spider monkey in this usage as they throw excretions of varying sorts)

4.1341 Any person that has been suspended from the field for the day by the local Monarchy per RoP 7.5* (p. 4 #12, #14) has a case subject to be evaluated at the next Local/Kingdom Althing. With the the appropriate Local or Kingdom Althing approval, that person may be:

A. Suspended (barred from play and attendance) for a longer period, and/or

B. Stripped of office, ranks, or titles
(as appropriate per the level of Althing, Kingdom Althing deals with Kingdom Offices and Kingdom-given titles, Local Parks deal with Local Offices, etc.), and or

C. Suspended indefinitely, or

D. Put on "Probation" for a determinate period of time (e.g. 6 months).

4.13411 Probation Probation is a sentence which may be imposed by Althing vote in lieu of total Suspension. An offender on probation is ordered to follow certain conditions set forth by the Althing, under the supervision of their home field monarchy.

4.13412 If at anytime the offender on Probation acts in a way that would generate another suspension from: his/her park, a park within his/her kingdom, or as a representative of that kingdom in a mundane or inter-kingdom space, the remaining probation sentence turns into Suspension effective immediately. Upon the next Local/Kingdom Althing, another review of and vote on the probationer’s case will occur with a consideration for further sanctions.


*["Rulebook 7.5 page 4."]
12. A player who consistently breaks game rules, cheats, causes mundane problems with authorities or safety can be barred from the local group or kingdom by joint agreement of the Monarch and either the Prime Minister or the Guildmaster of Reeves of that group.

14. Grappling with an opponent, shield bashing, rough, dangerous, or offensive physical contact is strictly prohibited and can result in being banned from play indefinitely.

I have a few problems with the above proposal. The first is supperficial, in that the possible scenarios of punishment listed should not be by alphabetic bullet point, but numbered as subsections for consistency in layout.

Yep the first issue is superficial. Things like a change to "A-D" is and can be used to highlight options in any ordinal structure to denote the difference in organization. It doesn;t matter as long as it is communicated correctly.

The second is that anytime you pose a list of options, it limits the possiblities. For example, if a Treasurer was embezzling money from the kingdom, by the above list, we have no authority to force them to pay back what was taken. My proposal was delibrately worded to not include any specific punishment, but solidly grant the allthing the power to do so.

Limits were in fact the point. The Treasurer example is covered given you have conflated mundane concerns (a crime) with intra-game issues like poor conduct. Probation would in fact allow for the repayment of some debt. But this was not the point of the rule in the first place. This is not an all encompassing penal code. This is a specific issue. This is a rule about RoP Pg 4 and the consequences specific to those issues.

Third, stripping of office is already covered by corpora in section 4.5.[/i]
I hear you, but this does not impinge on those line items but enlightens those issues. I would be happy to reference 4.5 to clarify. Thats a good point.
Keep in mind: This is again a specific set of guidelines to ease some of the concern over the initial, seemingly ambiguous set of Monkey rules that deal with compliance with RoP. For me this is a quality of life/game/environment issue that deals with things parallel in some ways with 4.5 but also with things not covered in 4.5.

Fourth, The remvoal of titles and awards makes it seem like my local park could strip me of anything that they have awarded me. I would reserve the power to remove ANY awards or titles to the Kingdom allthing. I do see how my wording could create the same conclusion, and will post a modified version soon to ensure this cannot happen.

I hear your concern and debated this myself. Yet, I have heard from a number of groups over a number of years that Local parks must take care of their business and, on principle, we must treat like cases alike. There are in fact no local titles other than offices or made-up ones. There are orders. Think about this, you would be letting a kingdom althing strip a local shire resident of something the shire gave them. That shire doesn't have much push back. This seemed wrong. Local parks should at least have the option of dealing with local issues and then, if necessary, taking it to the King which by definition would require a K-level althing. So while for me, B needs to stay the way it is or close to it, I would not protest making some levels of the other A-D suspension/ probation options required to be pushed to Kingdom level however if people thought it wise.

And finally, I would not include page and section number from the rulebook, as it is possible this could change, thus forcing us to hold a vote to correct it. I would simply cite the RoP, and level it at that.

Included asterisked for clarity here, not necessarily for inclusion. We agree.

I think we agree with the spirit of what needs changed, we simply have a difference on implementation.

No matter the minor differences we will, and anyone would, always encounter: let it be known, it is super awesome to work through this with someone who is engaged and interested. I wholly respect your significant work, like you said, codifying implementation and, for me, intent, are just us communicating until we get there.[/b]

[OTTO VON MUELLER]

This is an unnecessary change, as in section 8.0, Glossary, Active is clearly defined by I had understood the PM being required to give the GMoK a list of Active Knights was along the same lines as the PM determining those eligible to vote in elections. If I am not understanding this correctly, please explain.

Because the report defines that "Active list" and so directly affects the process described in 3.4. So: Yes the glossary does define active but Not the PM's report to GoK and not the importance of that report process in 3.4 If it's going in, it needs to be fully documented.

Ok, I see your point behind this then. It is not changing the definition of active, but to impose importance to the list.

Now I am on the same page.

Cheers onward and upward my corporeal brother.

[Wugem]

Thank YOU !!!! for your hard work on this !!! do you think it will be completed by the end of the current reign ?

WuGem

[Arminius]

Bumping this as a reminder to myself.

Otto, you got plans on Labor Day? If not, perhaps we can get some work done on these matters.

[OTTO VON MUELLER]

Heya, glad to see your computer is up and running. I will make as much time as possible to get through this stuff. What we discussed after the last Althing should allow us to be fairly productive. Feel free to call me. If ya don't have my number (think you do but I've slept since then) just PM. Cheers my corporeal bro. - Otto

[OTTO VON MUELLER]

New Business Complete on Arminius/Otto call conducted 9/6/10:

Arminius- note I was going to post Monarch, PM and Regent (1.1-1.3) edits we finalized, but the Monarch’s 1.1 has notes about peerage that will not be decided until this coming althing. So, to avoid bad organization, I’m going to hang onto all of those 1.1-1.3 until that issue is decided.

4.1 Allthing
4.11 The Kingdom Allthing shall be scheduled the second weekend of each month.
4.111 The Monarch may reschedule the Allthing with at least one week
advance notice posted publically to the Kingdom members.
4.112 The Monarch or Regent may call an Emergency Allthing, if needed.
4.112a The Emergency Allthing cannot change Copora, the votes are
for a temporay fix, and may only be made permanent at a regularly
scheduled Allthing.
4.12 Anyone may attend the Kingdom Allthing.
4.13 The Allthing may do the following:
4.131 Discuss and vote on expenditures of the club treasury.
4.132 Discuss the future and priorities of the Kingdom.
4.133 Discuss possible reasons for removal of club officers and special
circumstances for them retaining their positions.
4.134 Exercise the Monkey Rule, (see 8.7 for definition).
4.14 Only dues-paid Kingdom of the Golden Plains residents may vote on presented policies and decisions.
4.15 Only the Monarch and Regent may call an Allthing.
4.151 The Prime Minister may call an Allthing if the Monarch and Regent are confirmed absent on the day of the regularly scheduled Allthing.
4.1511 The Champion may call an Allthing if the Monarch, Regent, and
Prime Minister are confirmed absent on the day of the regularly scheduled Allthing.
4.152 The officer presiding over an allthing shall only cast a vote to break a tie.
4.16 All Allthing votes must be brought up at a regularly scheduled Allthing, and voted on at the next regularly scheduled Allthing.

(Kept it simple given the Monkey Rule is now decided, left "tie" edits in as originally written)


7.12 Subgroup officers shall be known by their titles, as listed below:
Type of Group
Shire Mayor Prime Minister Regent Champion
Barony Baron Prime Minister Regent Champion
County Count Prime Minister Regent Champion
Duchy Duke Prime Minister Regent Champion
Kingdom King Prime Minister Regent Champion

Each office other than Monarch will be preceded by their group level name, e.g. Shire PM or Kingdom Regent.

(Lesser Office Names Standardized, Grand Duchy Removed)


7.13
Monarchs of the subgroups may grant all of the orders and credits, with the following limitations and exceptions:

Group Limits Mask Jovious Flame Walker Warlord Peerage
Shire Up to 2nd Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
Barony Up to 5nd Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
County Up to 6rd Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
Duchy Up to 8th Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
Kingdom No Limits YES YES YES YES YES YES

(Levels Standardized with Amtgard and Previous GP Corporas, Kept County In-Line as it is New to the Process, Grand Duchy Removed)

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On the docket-

1. Update Discretionary Title descriptions.
2. Check Amtgard Contracts for any contradictions in Corpora Language and determine if any action is required or grandfathered.
3. Officer’s Updates for 1.1-1.3, including Monkey Rule notes.

[Arminius]

I forgot to mention this in our call, but I would like to change "Mayor" to "Sheriff". It is more inline with the accepted culture of other kingdoms, plus Sheriff sounds more awesome...

[OTTO VON MUELLER]

Updated Sheriff below

(also corrected the typos "5nd" and "6rd"...cause while that's how I count I realize nobody else says fifthnd and sixthird)

7.12 Subgroup officers shall be known by their titles, as listed below:
Type of Group
Shire Sheriff Prime Minister Regent Champion
Barony Baron Prime Minister Regent Champion
County Count Prime Minister Regent Champion
Duchy Duke Prime Minister Regent Champion
Kingdom King Prime Minister Regent Champion

Each office other than Monarch will be preceded by their group level name, e.g. Shire PM or Kingdom Regent.

(Lesser Office Names Standardized, Mayor now = Sheriff for flavor and coolness, Grand Duchy Removed)


7.13
Monarchs of the subgroups may grant all of the orders and credits, with the following limitations and exceptions:

Group Limits Mask Jovious Flame Walker Warlord Peerage
Shire Up to 2nd Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
Barony Up to 5th Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
County Up to 6th Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
Duchy Up to 8th Level NO NO NO NO NO NO
Kingdom No Limits YES YES YES YES YES YES

(Levels Standardized with Amtgard and Previous GP Corporas, Grand Duchy Removed)

[Arminius]

In your defense Otto, I really dig sixthird....